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Cost of living in Brighton and Hove soars

11:52am Wednesday 16th April 2008

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Families are facing a battle to survive as living costs soar by almost £250 a month.

There have been large increases in the cost of food, petrol, mortgages, utility bills and other household expenses in the past year.

And experts say the cost of living in Brighton and Hove has reached such proportions it is forcing families into increasingly desperate measures just to avoid sliding further into debt.

A spokesman for the Citizens' Advice Bureau in Sussex said: "We regularly speak to families who are having to take on extra jobs or find other sources of income just to keep up with the cost of living.

"There are families out there who are falling apart because of the stress and strain it is causing."

An average fuel bill for a family with two cars has risen by almost £400 as petrol across the city has soared to £1.10 a litre from around 96p in the past year.

Council tax bills have gone up by an average of £78, energy bills have risen by £140 and water bills are up by £30.

Family food bills have risen by about £600 as global shortages of grain and other commodities begin to force up costs.

Research by The Argus suggests the average family in the Brighton and Hove area must now fork out an extra £2,965 on essentials compared with last year - an average of £247 a month. The average wage in the city currently stands at £29,000 with average take home pay of about £21,000.

Brighton Kemptown MP Des Turner acknowledged that city's families are being hit by ever increasing costs but said there was little the Government could do.

He said: "There is nothing we can do about the cost of oil or commodities because these are world problems.

"The cost of living has risen and there are things which the Government has done to help where it has been possible. But some of the rises we have seen recently are not things ministers can influence."

Food costs have risen for a range of reasons, including poor weather affecting crops.

City residents have also faced other rising costs in the past year, including an increase in parking costs and higher taxes on luxuries such as beer and eating out.

With fears over the wider economy looming and uncertainty in the housing market, experts say families, individuals and businesses may all be forced to tighten their belts.

Homeowners are being hit with increased mortgage costs because of the credit crunch.

Those coming off fixed-rate mortgage deals are being particularly affected by large jumps in the amount they must repay each month.

Alistair Smith, chief executive of West Sussex Economic Partnership, said: "It is already harder to get credit than it was a year ago and that is going to have a knock-on effect.

"But it is very much a case of waiting to see what will happen."

Figures due to be released at the beginning of May are expected to show an increased number of repossessions and bankruptcies in the city.

Conservative Brighton and Hove city councillor Maria Caulfield, who represents the Moulsecoomb and Bevendean ward, said: "People are feeling the pinch and that is certainly why we as a council have tried to keep council tax as low as we can.

"The main thing I hear on the doorstep is people cannot afford a place to live, either to rent or to buy."

Simon Kirby, a Conservative East Sussex county councillor and the party's prospective parliamentary candidate for Brighton Kemptown, said: "It's easy to say it is down to energy prices, to food prices outside the control of the Government but at the end of the day, the Government has a responsibility to help people out when it gets tough and they are making it difficult for people.

"The Government should be looking to reduce the tax burden."

Have you been affected by the increase? Tell us your story below.


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Studley, Brighton says...
11:57am Wed 16 Apr 08

"The average wage in the city currently stands at £29,000 with average take home pay of about £21,000" - so that means that practically anyone who earns the average salary would not be able to even afford a one bed flat anywhere in Brighton and Hove.

"Brighton Kemptown MP Des Turner acknowledged that city's families are being hit by ever increasing costs but said there was little the Government could do." What utter cobblers. Thank goodness this idiot is not standing again as an MP (he'd be kicked out anyway).


Pete, Hove says...
12:17pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Brighton Kemptown MP Des Turner acknowledged that city's families are being hit by ever increasing costs but said there was little the Government could do.

Lets not forget that fuel costs directly affect transport costs which directly affect everything we buy. The government taxes contributes 2/3rds to the price of fuel. Of course the government can do something .. it just doesn't want to reduce this lucrative revenue stream

Judge Nutmeg, Hove says...
12:23pm Wed 16 Apr 08

"There is nothing we can do about the cost of oil or commodities because these are world problems."

Is that right Turner, you lying scumbag? I thought it was Alistair Darling who stood up last month and announced yet another tax hike for petrol, diesel and other "commodities". Apparently it was "the world" in a grey wig.

rob, Portslade says...
12:25pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Of course its hard down here...Brighton & Hove has always been one of the most expensive places to live. However, I'd rather live here and pay a bit more, than live in some grotty little town up north and pay £20 a month less on council tax!

Get real, says...
12:30pm Wed 16 Apr 08

So Rob, you're happy to pay a fortune to live in Portslade. Which, let's face it, is a grotty little town on the outskirts of a grotty little city. Sort of like the boil on a bumcheek.

tim, brighton says...
12:33pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Oh you moronic journo in this rag quotes "An average fuel bill for a family with two cars has risen by almost £400 as petrol across the city has soared to £1.10 a litre from around 96p in the past year." What we pay an extra £400 per month on driving ?
By the way is it just families who suffer in these cost busting times ?


Mark, Hove says...
12:40pm Wed 16 Apr 08

I was charged 3.60 for a pint in town on saturday.

Des Turner, if this isn't your gonvernments fault, who's is it!

PS. Brighton & Hove has not always been an expensive place to live. When I moved here in the early 90's it was actually very very cheap. It was becoming a city that made Brighton & Hove an expensive ( and less fun ) place to live. I want to move back to the town of Brighton & Hove please.

seagullsovergrimsby, grotty grimsby says...
12:49pm Wed 16 Apr 08

rob wrote:
Of course its hard down here...Brighton & Hove has always been one of the most expensive places to live. However, I'd rather live here and pay a bit more, than live in some grotty little town up north and pay £20 a month less on council tax!
I live in a grotty little town up north and my council tax this year is ony 19p short of £1400. The cost of living has rocketed everywhere in the UK , so perhaps we should think about all those whose take home pay is less than half that what people in Brighton earn even though the Government are telling us that inflation is only 3.5%

Disgruntled, Hanover, Brighton says...
1:47pm Wed 16 Apr 08

I don't know a single person in Brighton who's take home pay is as much as £21,000, and even that isn't enough to live on. This city has a serious problem on its hands.

I was unemployed for almost a year and coming back to work I am no better off now that I am liable for my rent and council tax and receive no benefit money.

This is not right at all. Our council tax is subsidising all those out of work who have no motivation to return to work because they aren't going to see any more money. And I am far from being on minimum wage, if I was I would be worse off than I was when I was unemployed.

The council obviously recognises the high cost of living by offering benefits to cover this cost but the wages we are offered don't match up to this cost.

Why don't I just go back to staying in bed all week and having other taxpayers pay my council tax, rent and other basic living costs rather than having to work 40 hours a week just to cover these costs?

Strug-Lynn, says...
2:07pm Wed 16 Apr 08

The average wage is £21K? Most jobs advertised in B&H are WELL below this, most are like the admin posts for 12K for a 37.5 hr week advertised in this paper this week. That's taking the P**s, but someone desperate enough will do it. The Council should introduce a location allowance as rec'd in other Cities - but they want it both ways, banging on about how great a place it is to be, but treating their citizens with disdain.

Mandy, Hove says...
2:21pm Wed 16 Apr 08

I wish I earnt £29,000, between myself and my partner we bring in under that together, and we both have good jobs. Its the council tax thats extortionate as well as the rising costs of everything else, fuel, food. Brighton isn't a great place to live anymore, its expensive, dangerous, dirty and I for one am off as soon as funds and circumstances allow.
council tax however does not subsidise the unemployed it is meant to pay for a laughable refuse service, recycling (ha ha) policing (joke) and so on. Rip off.

nevahwen, at my desk says...
2:28pm Wed 16 Apr 08

My mortgage jumped by £160 per month in March 2001 (from fixed rate to variable) and it was terrible. There was no extra money to cover it and with three children the debts simply mounted until I sold the house, cleared the mortage and downsized. Nothing else for it! I really, really feel for those who, owing to the current uncertainty in the housing market, cannot do the same. If people say it’s hardest for families I can equate with that. Once you have a family, children's clothes, schooling and activities take precedence over eating out and other luxuries. Families are often left with very little they can cut back on. They, therefore, feel the pinch much more keenly than say single folk. This is only a generalisation as I'm sure there are many single people out there struggling too.

All in all, having been encouraged by successive governments to enjoy what I consider to have been a false economic boom (built on a financial house of cards which they are doing their damnedest to artificially prop up) it is the general public left paying the price.

Plus ca change!


pharty phlapps, worthing says...
2:41pm Wed 16 Apr 08

i make nearly £50k per year and supporting a wife and 2 kids with a mortgage on a dumpy terraced house it is not enough. we will have to sell up or be foreclosed on in the next month due to proces rising and obscene housing costs. we moved from hove to avoid this but i think it's all relative.

Angryman, hard at work says...
3:08pm Wed 16 Apr 08

The one thing I would like you all to ask yourselves is whether ordinary working people like ourselves are to blame for this?

My answer is no, so why is it us who are paying for it?

The next question is what can we do? That answer is varied depending on the position many of you find yourselves in but joining up with others in the same situation as yourself in a trade union is one very good idea, as long as you and the trade union is prepared to fight and not capitulate.

And I do hope as many of you as possible will be supporting the teachers, lecturers and low paid civil servants next week when half a million of them are on strike to fight for a living wage! How about a few letters to the argus in support?

Working people are all in this together and maximum unity is needed to defend living conditions for us all. This has been the only way anything has ever been won and maintained including the simplest things like the right to vote, pensions, a national health service, etc... As soon as we start fighting amongst ourselves and blaming ourselves and the unemployed over matters that are not our fault the battle is over and we will all go under. Unity is strength!

Next step: a new party for ordinary working people because who trusts this lot? A campaign is already underway. Visit www.cnwp.org.uk for more info.

Bring on the democratic socialist revolution!

pizzdoff, brighton says...
3:32pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Strug-Lynn wrote:
The average wage is £21K? Most jobs advertised in B&H are WELL below this, most are like the admin posts for 12K for a 37.5 hr week advertised in this paper this week. That's taking the P**s, but someone desperate enough will do it. The Council should introduce a location allowance as rec'd in other Cities - but they want it both ways, banging on about how great a place it is to be, but treating their citizens with disdain.
I earn £16,625 which sucks. I do a good job, I pay £500 rent a month, I can't get a mortgage.

Show me a job that gives me 18k and I'll be happy, that atleast means I can afford a bit of a social life.

this really makes me angry.

Judge Nutmeg, Hove says...
3:48pm Wed 16 Apr 08

"And I do hope as many of you as possible will be supporting the teachers, lecturers and low paid civil servants next week when half a million of them are on strike to fight for a living wage!"

The teachers can go on strike for as long as they want - preferably during their 6 week summer holidays - but they won't be getting any sypport from me in their demand for another above-inflation pay rise. You don't get it, do you? The government's got no more money. They've spent it all. As for the civil servants, they can go on strike forever as far as I'm concerned.

Angryman, hard at work says...
4:24pm Wed 16 Apr 08

"their demand for another above-inflation pay rise"

What world are you living on?! Real inflation – that includes rents and food – is at 4.5% and counting!

And as for the money not existing: it never has! Where's this big pile of £50 billion in notes we've given the failed Northern Rock just because some rich bankers got too greedy? If I play the lottery and lose can I have my money back? And get paid for losing it too like Adam Applegarth (ex Northern Rock chairman)? And then there's the expensive and illegal war in Iraq, billions in profits for the polluting oil companies and supermarkets, tax increases for the poorest, big payouts to chief execs, the selling off of the UK's 'family silver' and nuclear power through privatisation, the £75 billion renewal of our WMDs (Trident), expense perks for MPs... and you have the audacity to tell me there's no more money?!!!! What a joke you are!

Teachers do a crucial job in society, just like bin men, transport and energy workers, nurses, farmers, etc... Without them society would collapse.

Bring on the democratic socialist revolution!

Judge Nutmeg, Hove says...
4:47pm Wed 16 Apr 08

"Bring on the democratic socialist revolution!"

Good God. When you're in a hole, stop digging. The last thing we need is more socialism. This rotten government has spent ten years bribing public sector workers with above-inflation pay rises but I'm afraid the party's over. The teachers and civil servants can tighten their belts like the rest of us.

The economic situation today is very similar to the last time the Labour party brought the country into recession 30 years ago. The only difference between then and now is that we do not yet have endless strikes and crippling wage inflation, but not for long if the union nutters have their way.







leonard, Brighton says...
4:48pm Wed 16 Apr 08

what i think is amazing is that the council tax goes up by about 5% - yet Brighton Council only increase their workers pages by 2.457% - thats what I find great!

johnny dross, Brighton says...
5:02pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Brighton Kemptown MP Des Turner acknowledged that city's families are being hit by ever increasing costs but said there was little the Government could do.

Then thats just great then. Really comforting response that. Your caring sharing government. Well as long as your second home and secretary wife/son/daughter are ok then thats all that matters. It must be tough being an MP these days, with all these problems that aren't your fault to not have to solve.
Guido Fawkes had the right idea.

Red Square Radical, By The Sea says...
5:04pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Its about time we all stood up to these ever increasing living costs,rules and regulations, pay for this pay for that, you can't park there,you can't smoke in a public place,you should'nt drink more than half a pint a week, you must put your rubbish bin on the pavement with the handle facing the road! when's it gonna stop,the answer, NEVER because as long as some Fat Ar**d pleb in the Goverment, who hasn't got the slightest about what the real world is like is making the rules its always gonna be the same. Its time for the revolution comrades
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Angryman, hard at work says...
5:08pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Since when has this economic situation been the fault of normal workers like teachers? Why should we settle for a lowering of living standards? We want to go forward not back with you ignorant capitalist dinosaurs...

AND SO WHY SHOULD WE PUT UP WITH IT?

The system that has gone wrong is capitalist and is more of a dirty word than the type of 'socialism' (either New Labour or Stalinism) you've got stuck in your pea-sized brain. Can't you think of anything original or do you insist on going round in circles like a goldfish with your out-dated ideologies?

We need a "DEMOCRATIC", listen to the word, "DEMOCRATIC socialist revolution" That's pretty much all that was wrong with history's failed attempts that you simply swallow as the be all and end all.

Working people should not accept this state of affairs! This is the government and bosses fault. Let them go without! This is their fault!

Bring on the democratic socialist revolution!

Sevvy, Brighton says...
5:35pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Let's be honest, a lot of these extra costs have been driven by a vastly overinflated housing market, with people buying to let with mortgages they can't afford, and others so desperate to get on the housing ladder that they signed up to mortgages they can't afford.
It's a market economy, and at long last house prices are falling and then banks are ceasing to lend money to anyone who asks.
I have absolutely no sympathy for all those 'speculators' who have invested in buy to let properties, because it is these very people who have been responsible for the stupid prices we now find. I hope they all catch a cold and have to dump their housing stock at a loss. Serves them right for being so greedy.
I also hope that those people who now find themselves on the end of reposession aren't going to be bailed out by the taxpayer. They should have stayed in the rental market (as I have)if they couldn't afford to buy.
Let the market find its true value, and then maybe we'll all be able to afford a property, instead of just the rich.
Incidentally, in France, if you sell a house within 5 years of purchasing it, you have to pay 30% tax on the profit. Then there is a sliding scale of tax to be paid over the next 10 years of ownership. A tax like that in the UK would put paid to property speculation overnight.

chezz, brighton says...
5:38pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Re.Rob, Portslade

spent a lot of time up north then have u Rob?? Not all northern towns are grim, infact theres some beautiful places in the north, and yes a cheaper lifestyle too..how awful..If I had the option I would move up north tomorrow,and escape the overpriced lifestyle of brighton and hove, and the constant harassment in the streets from heroin addicts also wanting your money!!

bobby bigballs, Brighton says...
6:04pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Leave the country and come back as an immigrant - get a free house, and your bills paid!! Plenty of them getting lots of shopping in Asda.

Going to Oz, very soon says...
6:21pm Wed 16 Apr 08

this country is the pits.

Over in Sydney, my brother rents an apartment overlooking Sydney harbour, 3 beds roof terrace and really rather good for A$300 a week, (about 125 quid), he has a job that pays him $200,000 a year, pays little tax and petrol is cheap. He has no heating (not needed, even in winter) and loves his life out there.

He doesn't want to ever come back.

That's why I am moving my family over there too.

Also, the front page of THE Sydney newspaper's website had an example of the levels of crime over there 'Man assaulted with a hedgehog'. That's about as nasty as it seems to get in general.

Judge Nutmeg, Hove says...
6:36pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Angryman said

<i>"The system that has gone wrong is capitalist and is more of a dirty word than the type of 'socialism' (either New Labour or Stalinism) you've got stuck in your pea-sized brain. Can't you think of anything original or do you insist on going round in circles like a goldfish with your out-dated ideologies?

We need a "DEMOCRATIC", listen to the word, "DEMOCRATIC socialist revolution" That's pretty much all that was wrong with history's failed attempts that you simply swallow as the be all and end all."</i>

Typical rubbish from an ignorant apologist of communism. Good lord, man, can you not see that the words 'democratic' and 'revolution' are just a teensy bit contradictory, just as 'socialist' and 'democratic' are contradictory. Have you learnt nothing from history? Do you think it is a coincidence that all the left-wing revolutions have ended in totalitarian disaster? How many millions of people have to die before you accept that it won't work? Leftwing politics will always be at odds with freedom and democracy. They are inevitably dictatorial and authoritarian.

How dictatorial and undemocratic they become depends only on how far to the left they go. At one end, there is the absolute totalitarianism and mass murders of China, Cambodia and the USSR. At the other end, there is the supposedly 'soft' socialism of New Labour which contents itself with merely building the foundations of a police state, petty tyranny, an addiction to banning everything it can think of and the systematic extortion of the population through taxes.

That old Trotsykist Gordon Brown has squandered billions on fattening up the state in the good years and now the bad years are coming there is nothing left. The teachers have seen their pay rise by 10% in real terms since Labour took power thanks to stomping their feet and whinging. Their average wage is well above the £21k mentioned in this article so now they can just shut up and suffer like the rest of us.

Angryman, hard at work says...
6:54pm Wed 16 Apr 08

And why should we put up with this out-dated capitalist nonsense that has and still is killing millions of people, destroying the planet because of greed, a system that puts selfishness above everything else? That's what's got us in this mess. Is that the society you want to see: one based on selfishness and greed. Because we might as well give every child a loaded gun and applaud the last one standing!!!! Based on your backwards logic!

Why can't you see that capitalism is the scurge of the earth?

And as for equating my socialism for yours? Well. Let me repeat myself again because you are obviously too thick to understand what I'm on about

"The system that has gone wrong is capitalist and is more of a dirty word than the type of 'socialism' (either New Labour or Stalinism) you've got stuck in your pea-sized brain. Can't you think of anything original or do you insist on going round in circles like a goldfish with your out-dated ideologies?"

The socialism that I speak of wouldn't exist if we follow the terrible examples that history offers like China (which, may I add, is about to become the most power country on the planet due to its planned economy - that's not excuse of its lack of democracy though). That's because socialism is about the MAJORITY. A revolution can't happen properly if its only undertaken by a minority. That's why the examples you've got stuck in your head have nothing to do with what I'm on about you tit! A proper DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST REVOLUTION is a revolution led by and organised democratically by the majority of people in a society: that's the workers in an advanced capitalist country like Britain. Now, seeing as it's the majority of working people who are currently being screwed over by the current economic crisis it would be in their interests to get together and get rid of these idiots in government and big business ruining everything.

Is that clear? All I'm saying is that capitalism is fundamentally flawed, the socialism I'm on about is different to what's in your pea-sized brain, and that if a country like Cuba or China were to be run democratically, with full human rights and freedoms, and got rid of the wasteful beaucracy, we'd be going in the right direction...

Judge Nutmeg, Hove says...
7:22pm Wed 16 Apr 08

I'll try and ignore your silly insults (if you want a majority to get behind you for your revolution, you're going to have to try to hide to be a bit less hostile, or were you just going to have anyone who disagreed with you shot?)

"if a country like Cuba or China were to be run democratically, with full human rights and freedoms, and got rid of the wasteful beaucracy, we'd be going in the right direction..."

Yes. If. IF. IF!! Shout it out and write it in 10 foot high letters. If my autine had balls she'd be my uncle! Why are these countries NEVER run democratically? Why is the bureaucracy so wasteful? Why does it ALWAYS end in tears?

I'll give you a clue.

1. The type of people who are drawn to being active in the politics of the (far?) left have, by their nature, a desire to control, master and dictate. They are often extremely nasty, aggressive little bigots with chips on their shoulder (would that be you, Angryman?). Would-be dictators are hardly going to be drawn to parties that believe in smaller government, are they?
2. Socialism/communism gives these scumbags the absolute power they crave. Absolute power, Angryman, is not good for the soul. It makes even good men turn bad. Even those who start with the best of intentions become corrupted.
3. As the state grows, so does the number of bureaucrats needed to run it. These people cannot, by their nature, create wealth and so the economy goes steadily downhill through a combination of escalating taxation and government waste until it destroys itself. This waste cannot be avoided. Bureaucracy is fundamentally wasteful.
4. The state is always inefficient and frequently corrupt. Other people's money is never spent as wisely as your own money. Public resources are never treated with the respect that people treat their own resources. The more money the state has, the more it will be wasted. The more power it has, the more it will be abused.

This is pretty basic stuff, Angryman. You should educate yourself a bit before you go shouting about your oxymoronic "democratic revolution'.




Reg, Whitehawk says...
7:38pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Des Turner the clown strikes again...is he secretly working for Kemptown tories or does he have an underlying issue with Simon Burgess! that he is making sure that Labour becomes a thing of the past in East Brighton...hope so...

seagullsovergrimsby, grotty grimsby says...
7:43pm Wed 16 Apr 08

seagullsovergrimsby wrote:
rob wrote: Of course its hard down here...Brighton &amp; Hove has always been one of the most expensive places to live. However, I'd rather live here and pay a bit more, than live in some grotty little town up north and pay £20 a month less on council tax!
I live in a grotty little town up north and my council tax this year is ony 19p short of £1400. The cost of living has rocketed everywhere in the UK , so perhaps we should think about all those whose take home pay is less than half that what people in Brighton earn even though the Government are telling us that inflation is only 3.5%
Correction to my earlier post , my council tax is 19p short of £1440. The cost of living has also risen in the North but people have more disposable income due to cheaper house prices and thus a smaller mortgage. As it is 3 degrees C colder up here compared to Brighton the central heating has to stay on between September and May and even the price of petrol is 112.9p a litre , with diesel at 118.9p a litre.

Tory, Brighton says...
9:40pm Wed 16 Apr 08

I wonder how many of you lot winging on here will be voting for Labour next time round. Get Brown and his lot out, its time for a change, it cant be any worse than what it is!

Tim, Brighton says...
11:25pm Wed 16 Apr 08

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=2t8YTvdYX
ws

Becuase it's true

Me, Here says...
11:38pm Wed 16 Apr 08

I certainly won`t vote Labour. Never have, never will. I`ll give my vote to the Monster Raving Looney Party

Tory, brigton says...
11:44pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Me wrote:
I certainly won`t vote Labour. Never have, never will. I`ll give my vote to the Monster Raving Looney Party
I should'nt bother wasting your shoe leather going to the voting station - if you dont vote for one of the 2 major parties then you've wasted a vote.

The Daz, Woodingdean says...
11:54pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Life kinda seemed easier and cheaper when Brighton was a town... Im Brighton born & bred & i cant stand the place anymore, the whole country seems to be going to pot & its all crap.

hard up, 7 Dials says...
12:33am Thu 17 Apr 08

I blame it on the argus - 38p now !

Alex, Sydney says...
2:35am Thu 17 Apr 08

Posted by: Going to Oz, very soon on 6:21pm Wed 16 Apr 08

Mate I'm ex-Brighton, moved to Sydney 5 yrs ago - would be very interested to know how your brother rents a 3 bed harbour views unit for $300 a week. More like $3000 a month.

Re his tax, he is probaly on LAFHA (living away from home allowance) like me, so tax is very low - however as soon as you take residency you are slugged with the full tax rate - which is 47% over $80k.

Having said that once you get here you won't want to go home.

However I can confirm that my local beach - Bondi - is a big improvement on the pebbles!

Fred, Brighton says...
9:16am Thu 17 Apr 08

We can start saving money by getting rid of >Councillors who drink bottled water. Plus make them bring their own biscuits. Get rid of the man who goes round counting cig. butts. Get rid of the green party.{they can save the world somewere else} Get rid of all these party Advisers they have just employed.And get rid of all the rest of the "jobsworth".And if you want to go the "whole hog" then get rid of the lot of the councillors, at the next election.Lets get in some fresh talent. People that put in, not people that take out.

Angryman, hard at work says...
10:23am Thu 17 Apr 08

Judge Nutmug as I'll call you.

You are totally wrong with every point you have made. Democracy and socialism can exist together to the point where they are the same thing.

You proudly telling me and everyone that this is not possible makes you undemocratic yourself and worse than Stalin and Mao. Etc.

The world we live in is cack because of the capitalist system yet you want everthing to stay the same. Well done. Judge. In fact, reading all your points you haven't offered a single suggestion as to what we can do about higher living costs other than to say tough! Very helpful.

I get frustrated because people who seem to be intelligent end up thinking the world never changes and keep spitting out nonsense about things that happened years ago.

I have two examples for you. The right to vote and the creation of pensions were never just given to poor working people but fought for over many years democratically by a MAJORITY. I see no dictatorship in what I speak of there. All you do is put outdated words in my mouth because you can't think of anything original.

This is the kind of battle the MAJORITY needs to take up if we are ever going to create a better world for people to live in. What else are we here for?

As for me being power hungry: if I was I'd be sucking c**k in the Labour or Tory parties or I'd be a big business man, or perhaps a JUDGE!!!!

Now go educate yourself...

Judge Nutmeg, Hove says...
10:59am Thu 17 Apr 08

"You proudly telling me and everyone that this is not possible makes you undemocratic yourself and worse than Stalin and Mao. Etc."

Have you really thought thisd through, Angryman? Are you absolutely sure that leaving a couple of messages on the Argus message board makes me worse than the two biggest mass murderers of all time (who happen to be your heroes).
Get a grip, you bitter old throwback, it's not 1968 anymore.

sadie, Hove says...
12:31pm Thu 17 Apr 08

I do not know why we are not getting the Outer London rates of pay. The cost of living here is ridiculous.

Angryman, hard at work says...
12:49pm Thu 17 Apr 08

Is that all you've got in response to all I've said and argued? "My heroes"!!? You're just not getting it. After all I've just said about YOUR outdated perspectives you then try to put words in my mouth, again!

You're completely mad and have nothing original, positive or mildly informative to say to enlighten people about the world situation. I'd rather have an informative discussion with people who have bothered to think of original thoughts and what to criticise the world and previous ideologies to make the world better for us all.

So go condemn yourself to a Daily Mail subscription if you're not willing to think for yourself, JUDGE!

FRED, worthing says...
2:43pm Thu 17 Apr 08

My God! You really have got yourself a problem, Angryman.

Angryman, hard at work says...
6:22pm Thu 17 Apr 08

Yes. You ignorant lot. Have you not read all my posts?

Vicky, Worthing says...
8:20pm Thu 17 Apr 08

Don't get me wrong I still like Brighton & Hove but after having seven months out of work in 2005 after redundancy I really struggled. Evemn when I did find work (and I applied all over Sussex) I was no better off as others have mentioned. Getting out of Brighton has become one of the best things I did, and whilst things aren't cheap as chips in Worthing, at least I can afford somewhere decent to live in a decent area without parting with virtually all of my wages.

This isn't a knock on the residents of Brighton & Hove but how the old town has changed in the past 10 years...

FUBAR, Brighton says...
10:20pm Thu 17 Apr 08

"New" labour, "old" labour. If you called your cat a dog it would still say meow. Labour is still labour, all tax and spend, they have no ideas that are new just throw money at everything. Unfortunately it has been our tax money and now we are running out. With 20% of the workforce being in government employ and the taxes taking almost 50% of the countries national product why be surprised when it all begins to run out.

Steve, Brighton Rock says...
10:56pm Thu 17 Apr 08

Don't be so hard on the local Liebour MP he's doing his best and thinking of us - by making those harmless drugs legal they are bound to go down in price making it easier for everybody to have some!

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